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« on: April 12, 2007, 06:46:16 PM »

The British were no less taken by surprise by the Japanese moves in early to mid-December 1941 than the USA was. Although sneak and ruthless (also, in the tradition of the Boxer Revolt in China, quite shamelessly nihilistic in nature – aimed at nothing less than the total and unconditional destruction and surrender of what was perceived then still to be largely a White nation of the USA) this attack achieved tactical success in both areas. Strategic success was achieved only in the Far East because the American aircraft carriers were not sunk. Douhet and Mitchell nevr considered the fact that Airplanes can serve a strategic purpose even if tactically deployed, as one could hardly expect to have an effective military presence in Asia without a mobile airport (which is what an aircraft carrier is).

The motivation for this attack was the same as before – to pay back the White peoples for all the pains and humiliation of the preceding centuries. Since the 19th century profound cunning of the Asiatic peoples has been hard at work thinking out methods inaccessible to European-American thought and even at times superior to it. For one, the Western tendency (illogical at bottom and simply rooted in Western spirituality) to be happily open and readily transparent to the World about discoveries and scientific achievement has helped fuel the ambition of Asia and its natural allies in the so-called 3rd World who record and then inculcate all the discoveries by the West into their own plans, conclusions and concealed ideas. The aim is one and the same – time and again – today no less than yesterday – how to overcome another Western tendency – the one that allowed the White nations to scatter themselves across the globe – the ungovernable urge to infinite distances (this same ‘ungovernable urge’ was responsible for the never-ending urge to explore and push the frontiers against the native Indians of the Americas first exhibited in the New World by the Spanish Conquistadores). This urge has fueled the unceasing Western desire to advance the frontiers of empirical knowledge and its corollary the urge to total and ever increasing military power.

Apart from Japan – only Russia (not only as a new Asiatic power after 1917 [when Russia ceased once and for all to be a European/Western nation] but as the first anti-Western WORLD POWER) became a political power (under Lenin) formulated on the dangerous premise of permanent war against the West envisaged as a common struggle together with the populations of the 3rd World (mostly non-White but also involving some Whites who were Communist by persuasion). Much like political Islam today lusts after White converts to Islam for future missions – so did also Russia offer big money to Westerners (especially to those intelligent Westerners for whom the thinly-veiled stupidity of the “Red Propaganda” was not a sufficient-enough motivator) to help Moscow.

It was in fact Japan that inspired the famous (but by now little-remembered) international scandal known as “Plan of San Diego” 1914 (inspired by the Mexican revolutionary ‘CAUDILLO’ (‘war chief’), Mexican President PORFIRIO DIAZ – a Hugo Chavez-style mix of French Napoleonism and native Indian (‘Mestizo’) populism). Under this plan, the native Indian circles of Mexico and Latin America would attack America using their own massive armies of “mechopelo” [a gray proletarian masses filled with stocks of all races but largely Indian-Mestizo in stamp], with the help from Japan and the Blacks of USA, with an immediate object of invading Texas and Arizona. The plan had as its aim the massacre of all the Whites of those states and their annexation to Mexico. Only a timely American near-annexation of Panama and control of its canal forestalled a threatening Asian military presence in this wide region bordering in the far north on America’s “soft underbelly” around Rio Grande.

Even post-1945 Japan has not abandoned its old position in the Latin American world (that is why a Japanese, Alberto Fujimori, was able to become a Peruvian presidential strongman [he is best known for his police success against the “Shining Path” (‘Sandero Luminoso’) guerrilla movement]). Japan still has a very strong presence in Mexico which has only relatively recently yielded to the competing Chinese influence. In fact, China today is walking in the footsteps of Imperial Japan (exploiting the pathways blazed by Japan many years ago).

In World War Two – had Japan been successful in the Pacific war – it would have next engineered the takeover of key parts of continental USA using the dusted-off “Plan of San Diego.”

I have yet to find a military book circulating anywhere that explores the subject of what the Japanese plan for America, post-American defeat in the Pacific, was like. That is why one ought to look back in time, read carefully quality sources, including the important news of the day to form a physiognomic feel for the way the historical wind was drifting.

The incredible injury to the English pride that the surprise attack by Japan dealt England never recovered from – and its demise as a World-power and a sea-based military power started than. When at the same time as the attack on Pearl Harbor, Japan attacked Malaya, Admiral Sir Thomas "Tom Thumb" Spencer Vaughan Phillips rushed to save the British Malaya from the Japanese attack, but died on December 10, 1941 when his capital ships were sunk by the Japanese. This ended more than just a successful career in the Royal Navy for it destroyed the pride of the “invincible” British Navy (already hurt by the swift sinking of HMS Hood) AND the supremacy of Warship of the Sea. Tom Thumb’s hastily-assembled Naval task Force Z was annihilated by the Japanese dive and torpedo bombers. His flagship post was at the battleship HMS Prince of Wales with which he sank.

Just like the noble American Rear Admiral Isaac Campbell Kidd on USS Arizona – so did, a few days later, Admiral Tom Thumb go bravely down into the depths of blood, oil and seawater but also filled with a stunned disbelief. No more could be expected of any man.

Such was the consequence of Britain’s internal decay between the World Wars during which entire sections of the Empire were left mismanaged or neglected. Between the wars, Britain's military strategy in the Far East were undermined by a lack of attention and funding. Malaya was the obvious weakness in the British position in the Far East and Japanese analysts noticed that.

The brilliantly executed Japanese invasion of Malaya demonstrated the real usefulness of airpower on tactical level (when mere bombing of the enemy ground targets was utterly insufficient given that far-off border areas did not have a clear COG nor would, for example, a bombing campaign of the largest British naval base in the East at Singapore have been enough – contrary to what a Jominian of Airpower theory – Douhet, and even Billy Mitchell thought). Japan coerced Thailand into alliance and used its airports as launching pads for close ground support for its advance into Malaya.

This Western debacle was compunded by the ‘Helicopter-from-Saigon-rooftop’-type scene of hasty evacuation of the White Europeans from Malaya’s main city. The evacuation of Europeans from Penang, with local Asian inhabitants being left to the mercy of the Japanese, caused much embarrassment for the British and alienated them from the local population. There is no doubt that without the Japanese military successes against the Europeans in the Far East – a Ho Chi Min-type anti-Western movement that humbled America in Vietnam would have been unthinkable.
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2007, 09:41:07 AM »

An interesting concept - "The Asian Urge for Unconditional Overthrow of the West", the question for today is of course, has anything changed since the defeat of Imperial Japan and the destruction of its 'Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere' ?
The humiliation of the French in the 1950's/1960's in Indo-China?
The embarassing departure of the USA from Saigon at the end of the Vietnam War?
What next?
I do not think anything has changed. Look today towards the now faltering Japanese economic domination of world markets. Was this a different strategy to achieve previous goals? Japan overstretching itself financially and now floundering against world currencies?
What of North Korea? Does this backward looking Stalinist state still believe it can drive the USA out of the Korean peninsula?
Perhaps China is the key player now.
The British government gave up Hong Kong without a fight. This has given China confidence on the world stage. The rapidly expanding Chinese production base and global economic and manufacturing role might just tip the balance and allow China to finish the job started by Japan nearly 75 years ago. Given a little more effort and the right conditions China might be able to take Taiwan and shatter American (Western) power in South-East Asia. Then only South Korea will require a change of influence.
What do other contributors think?
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2007, 07:33:13 PM »

I see nothing but trends in thye direction affirmed by Northlander.

Do you all see the ever more frequent "pentagon scare" reports coming out in the public about either the latest Chinese developments in the realm of weapons-testing, weapos-deployment, military and technological and economic espionage ??

Or the latest dollar cash-reserves buildup from the gross imbalance of Sino-american trade ?

Or the latest Chinese business-venture in the world involving the export of tens of thousands of Chinese nationals who are routinely being exported by China to the world along with the products ?

Or the latest Chinese science/education or business success story (the Chinese expatriates around the world perform in schools exceptionally) ?

Or the relentless ambition driving the Chinese individual to outperform anyone (especially the non-Orientals) ?
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 01:44:06 PM »

I think that the Chinese operate on many levels and that the old adage "There is more than one way to skin a cat" fits the Chinese modus operandi perfectly.
The North Koreans would like to overthrow the West for purely political reasons - that is their leadership would like to overthrow the West to fulfill their bizarre dogma, a fusion of Maoist personality cult, Stalinist brutality, Marxist-Leninist ideology and Korean Nationalism
But the North Koreans have neither the military ability nor the economic power to even begin to exert the kind of influence in Asia which would be a necessary precursor to such ambitions.
China on the other hand has everything necessary, particularly millions of expendable citizens.
The tens of thousands of Chinese who are exported to the West - both legitimately and illegally tend to be surplus the populations of their home provinces. Plus the Chinese Government has a tendency to encourage the emigration of those elements in its population that it does not want back - that is criminals, uneducated peasants, unskilled workers and their dependents, those individuals considered workshy or politically unreliable.
China plans for the very long term.
Pentagon fuelled scaremongering aside, China does remain a serious threat to the West.
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